government has a role. they have infrastructure, education, we all need that to perform our jobs, our start-up businesses, whatever. but, you know, is it going the next step and saying, well, you know, no matter how successful you are we're going to take some of it. that's what people were hearing. that's where the president needs to be careful. i do think that that theme did resonate. >> you could imagine, you're a person of -- a perfect person to channel this. you can imagine a very effective conservative -- republican message that was also kind of antiwall street? >> yeah. i wish we did. >> yes. exactly. >> i'm not into wall street. independent of wall street. >> the question is why has -- >> that's one of the great mysteries. i think this is where right and left should agree. i think this is not ideological. these guys are still threats to our financial system. they should stand on their own two feet. taxpayers shouldn't have to bail them out. that's a good conservative principal or progressive or liber